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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://betch.edublogs.org/2009/11/27/this-is-not-amazing/comment-page-1/#comment-1891</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree somewhat to what you have said Chris...thinking to self what a much abused word &#039;amazing&#039; is. What I find is a reluctance to know about technology and it&#039;s worth to our classrooms and to our students needs. Take the case of a school Moodle site, 85% of teachers haven&#039;t made any effort at all to use it, even with help offered in after school training sessions. The DER Notebooks are going to be in our midst very soon if not in most schools already, and many teachers are going to find themselves so far behind expectations of the students that it is going to be virtually impossible to catch up sufficietly to satisfy our need to be on par with technology so we can keep up with today&#039;s students. I still have this self centered thought that the student is the client and we serve them information, and if today that information is ICT, Web 2.0, digital and an everyday occurance for the students, sorry, but we must forget our hesitations and take on board all we can to meet those needs of our clients.

If is sounds like ramblings, it is, it&#039;s late at night and I&#039;ve a migrain the size of Sydney Cricket Ground...oh the Summer of Cricket, bring it on ... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree somewhat to what you have said Chris&#8230;thinking to self what a much abused word &#8216;amazing&#8217; is. What I find is a reluctance to know about technology and it&#8217;s worth to our classrooms and to our students needs. Take the case of a school Moodle site, 85% of teachers haven&#8217;t made any effort at all to use it, even with help offered in after school training sessions. The DER Notebooks are going to be in our midst very soon if not in most schools already, and many teachers are going to find themselves so far behind expectations of the students that it is going to be virtually impossible to catch up sufficietly to satisfy our need to be on par with technology so we can keep up with today&#8217;s students. I still have this self centered thought that the student is the client and we serve them information, and if today that information is ICT, Web 2.0, digital and an everyday occurance for the students, sorry, but we must forget our hesitations and take on board all we can to meet those needs of our clients.</p>
<p>If is sounds like ramblings, it is, it&#8217;s late at night and I&#8217;ve a migrain the size of Sydney Cricket Ground&#8230;oh the Summer of Cricket, bring it on &#8230; <img src='http://betch.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I think the most significant part of this whole post is the end--

&quot;I was in another meeting with some students and a teacher the other day, and the teacher was trying to show the kids about a Ning they’d had set up for a class project.  The teacher was all effusive, gushed about the Ning’s “amazing” features and wanting to show the students all the “amazing” things it could do… “Look! You can use it to leave messages for each other!”, she said excitedly.  One of the students confided to me later “I can’t believe how worked up she was getting about that Ning… it’s just a blog. It’s like Facebook. Of course we know how to use it.”  It reminded me of that wonderful line from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, where the people of Earth were considered a bit of a joke for being “so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.”

I think the danger is that students discredit us, and we don&#039;t provide the leadership in evaluating their products, if we think everything done with a computer is great.

We need to bring the same critical habits of mind as teachers to everything we evaluate.

That being said, and I totally get your point, but I also think all of us apply that statement to things we don&#039;t do with ease but others do easily (I think of things like painting an oil painting or a student swimming in the junior olympics, etc.) I suppose it&#039;s human nature to express amazement when you don&#039;t know how someone gained the skills they did and when you feel far from achieving that ease yourself.

But in relation to technology and to students, you are right that we need to help teachers focus on the evaluation and analysis so that projects lacking substance are still treated accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I think the most significant part of this whole post is the end&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I was in another meeting with some students and a teacher the other day, and the teacher was trying to show the kids about a Ning they’d had set up for a class project.  The teacher was all effusive, gushed about the Ning’s “amazing” features and wanting to show the students all the “amazing” things it could do… “Look! You can use it to leave messages for each other!”, she said excitedly.  One of the students confided to me later “I can’t believe how worked up she was getting about that Ning… it’s just a blog. It’s like Facebook. Of course we know how to use it.”  It reminded me of that wonderful line from The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, where the people of Earth were considered a bit of a joke for being “so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.”</p>
<p>I think the danger is that students discredit us, and we don&#8217;t provide the leadership in evaluating their products, if we think everything done with a computer is great.</p>
<p>We need to bring the same critical habits of mind as teachers to everything we evaluate.</p>
<p>That being said, and I totally get your point, but I also think all of us apply that statement to things we don&#8217;t do with ease but others do easily (I think of things like painting an oil painting or a student swimming in the junior olympics, etc.) I suppose it&#8217;s human nature to express amazement when you don&#8217;t know how someone gained the skills they did and when you feel far from achieving that ease yourself.</p>
<p>But in relation to technology and to students, you are right that we need to help teachers focus on the evaluation and analysis so that projects lacking substance are still treated accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to your post Chris (well articulated as usual) and the comments (above). What &#039;amazes&#039; me though is the increasing number (albeit gradual) of colleagues who are now embracing learning technologies and are doing some great stuff with it. We need to acknowledge and recognise our roles as true pioneers and trailblazers of contemporary learning and rejoice in the achievements of those who follow in our footsteps - and ignore those who are trapped in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to your post Chris (well articulated as usual) and the comments (above). What &#8216;amazes&#8217; me though is the increasing number (albeit gradual) of colleagues who are now embracing learning technologies and are doing some great stuff with it. We need to acknowledge and recognise our roles as true pioneers and trailblazers of contemporary learning and rejoice in the achievements of those who follow in our footsteps &#8211; and ignore those who are trapped in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Robbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Robbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Chris, regardless of someone&#039;s personal schema teachers shouldn&#039;t conisder technology &#039;Amazing&#039;. I think its a teachers role to be aware of the world in which our students operate. To at teacher things may seem amazing, to our students it is simply normal. 

Just the other day a teacher was introducing a Ning at a nearby school and was suprised when none of the students were all that excited about it. The students said &#039;yeah its like facebook&#039; I think teacher&#039;s need to realise that to our students technology simply isnt amazing, it just is....

Great Post Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chris, regardless of someone&#8217;s personal schema teachers shouldn&#8217;t conisder technology &#8216;Amazing&#8217;. I think its a teachers role to be aware of the world in which our students operate. To at teacher things may seem amazing, to our students it is simply normal. </p>
<p>Just the other day a teacher was introducing a Ning at a nearby school and was suprised when none of the students were all that excited about it. The students said &#8216;yeah its like facebook&#8217; I think teacher&#8217;s need to realise that to our students technology simply isnt amazing, it just is&#8230;.</p>
<p>Great Post Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Buckland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Buckland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what you are saying Chris. Like many of the authors of previous comments, I am the tech guy around school, and get similar comments. Personally, I&#039;m getting to the stage where I&#039;m not amazed anymore - I tend to expect the amazing. With so much going on &#039;out there&#039;, why wouldn&#039;t we be able to do all these things. When a new gadget, application, service comes out, I&#039;m thinking &#039;oh yeah, that was a good idea...&#039; I don&#039;t really want to feel this way, but....

Another comment along a similar line is the gratitude for doing a task for a colleague. Often a fellow teacher has asked me to help with a task, which has been completed with a few clicks. Half a dozen thank-yous and a couple of expressions about my great intelligence later, they&#039;re off again happy. My reply is usually something like &quot;I didn&#039;t really do anything - it&#039;s easy. I&#039;ll show you how&quot; but they&#039;re off.

One of the comments above admitted feeling guilty that people feel this way because it has been their job to get people above these basic levels. I also feel this way and understand exactly how they feel. I&#039;ve been trying for years, but in the end, you can spend all your time trying to improve their skills. It&#039;s &#039;them&#039; that needs to want to get better as well. We can teacher them all day, but will they learn it. There&#039;s a two-way street.

I&#039;ve only come to terms with this over the past few months or so. I&#039;m not feeling quite as guilty anymore, but I want to make sure I am still as contagious as possible with this enthusiastic-for-technology virus I have. I just need to be careful that I don&#039;t spend all my time trying to infect those who have been &#039;fully immunised&#039; and focus on the &#039;vulnerable&#039; ones.

Sorry for the rant, and the inevitable spelling and grammatical errors.
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what you are saying Chris. Like many of the authors of previous comments, I am the tech guy around school, and get similar comments. Personally, I&#8217;m getting to the stage where I&#8217;m not amazed anymore &#8211; I tend to expect the amazing. With so much going on &#8216;out there&#8217;, why wouldn&#8217;t we be able to do all these things. When a new gadget, application, service comes out, I&#8217;m thinking &#8216;oh yeah, that was a good idea&#8230;&#8217; I don&#8217;t really want to feel this way, but&#8230;.</p>
<p>Another comment along a similar line is the gratitude for doing a task for a colleague. Often a fellow teacher has asked me to help with a task, which has been completed with a few clicks. Half a dozen thank-yous and a couple of expressions about my great intelligence later, they&#8217;re off again happy. My reply is usually something like &#8220;I didn&#8217;t really do anything &#8211; it&#8217;s easy. I&#8217;ll show you how&#8221; but they&#8217;re off.</p>
<p>One of the comments above admitted feeling guilty that people feel this way because it has been their job to get people above these basic levels. I also feel this way and understand exactly how they feel. I&#8217;ve been trying for years, but in the end, you can spend all your time trying to improve their skills. It&#8217;s &#8216;them&#8217; that needs to want to get better as well. We can teacher them all day, but will they learn it. There&#8217;s a two-way street.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only come to terms with this over the past few months or so. I&#8217;m not feeling quite as guilty anymore, but I want to make sure I am still as contagious as possible with this enthusiastic-for-technology virus I have. I just need to be careful that I don&#8217;t spend all my time trying to infect those who have been &#8216;fully immunised&#8217; and focus on the &#8216;vulnerable&#8217; ones.</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant, and the inevitable spelling and grammatical errors.<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Baldasaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Baldasaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing teaching always trumps &quot;amazing&quot; technology.  What amazes me know is when I walk into a room and the technology is a tool - a tool to stretch the classroom and its students beyond where they normally would be able to go.  You wrote of the classroom teacher using Ning - great tool - but if all she is doing is transferring her lectures online, she has neutralized its &quot;amazing&quot; capabilities.  If she is using it to stretch the curriculum through conversations, if it helps students make real-world connections, and if it helps students find their voices and passions, then, well, that can be amazing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing teaching always trumps &#8220;amazing&#8221; technology.  What amazes me know is when I walk into a room and the technology is a tool &#8211; a tool to stretch the classroom and its students beyond where they normally would be able to go.  You wrote of the classroom teacher using Ning &#8211; great tool &#8211; but if all she is doing is transferring her lectures online, she has neutralized its &#8220;amazing&#8221; capabilities.  If she is using it to stretch the curriculum through conversations, if it helps students make real-world connections, and if it helps students find their voices and passions, then, well, that can be amazing!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Musci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Musci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having used technology from when dir/w/p would get you a list of what was on your hard drive, I am still amazed by what technology can afford us. Time is so precious that I rarely get enough of it to do more than dabble in even a small portion ofo the amazing applications so I don&#039;t have time to become blase about the amazing power of technology.  When someone demonstrates the true scope of a program, I am amazed - and will openly admit it - what amazes me doesn&#039;t stupify me, it inspires me. If we cease to be amazed by what technology has to offer, perhaps the inspiration will fade as well? And then where will that leave us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having used technology from when dir/w/p would get you a list of what was on your hard drive, I am still amazed by what technology can afford us. Time is so precious that I rarely get enough of it to do more than dabble in even a small portion ofo the amazing applications so I don&#8217;t have time to become blase about the amazing power of technology.  When someone demonstrates the true scope of a program, I am amazed &#8211; and will openly admit it &#8211; what amazes me doesn&#8217;t stupify me, it inspires me. If we cease to be amazed by what technology has to offer, perhaps the inspiration will fade as well? And then where will that leave us?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ruwoldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Ruwoldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Chris.
This video goes for 3 minutes and supports your message very nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxHb5QVD7fo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Chris.<br />
This video goes for 3 minutes and supports your message very nicely.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxHb5QVD7fo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxHb5QVD7fo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amazing tech or Amazing environments? &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazing tech or Amazing environments? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read Betch&#8217;s post about being AMAZING &#8211; or rather what is AMAZING technology. He observed &#8230; The teacher was all effusive, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read Betch&#8217;s post about being AMAZING &#8211; or rather what is AMAZING technology. He observed &#8230; The teacher was all effusive, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have managed to capture what I have been thinking for some time.  Well done. I will avoid calling it amazing though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have managed to capture what I have been thinking for some time.  Well done. I will avoid calling it amazing though.</p>
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